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Luxury Box Season Ticket Holder

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Absolutely right 29 was supposed to be included the next year was the drop to 301. Man he stunk that year lol

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Wegernation wrote:

Was prob just an oversight on Hornsby when transferring numbers over tab to tab or it may have been just significantly worse than the seasons in that stretch it was all soley done by eye test on his numbers in the given year not compared to the league. I'd have to look at it again to be sure


Don't forget that Hornsby was trying to play through a bad back in '26. Still, as player-manager, led led the Cardinals to their first World Series title.

And in '30 he suffered a serious foot injury.

Also, you have to look at the pre-1920 stuff differently, as that season marked the start of the Lively Ball Era.  In 1918, he did have a subpar year, but in 1917, he finished second in average and on-base percentage, led in slugging, OPS, and total bases.

Hprnsby bounced back in 1919, with seconds in batting, OPS and total bases.  He was third in on-base and fifth in slugging.

In fact, Hornsby ranked first in the N.L. in offensive WAR every year, from 1917-'29, with the exception of 1918 (a shabby year, he ranked fourth) and 1926 (he was fifth).



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Hey guys stumbled on something while looking for someone with a printable version of the japaneese set. Strato Matic on Facebook is someone who made his own cards. I haven't printed or tried any but he made a "heroes" set in which he used a Seven year arc for a lot of current day guy. You guessed it their is a puljols card. .335 44hr 124rbi 644 slug 433 obp

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Others include Strawberry Manny Vlad Jeter Nomar Ortiz A rod it's almost a who's who of the 80s and 90s that weren't in the strat set. He also has original teams and best seasons for like 40 people. It's interesting to look at if nothing else I don't know how you guys feel about stuff like this. (Bootleg cards) it's all stuff strat hasn't provided

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Regarding Musial, what happened in 1945 that he didn't play? Was he in the service?



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chip71bucs wrote:

Regarding Musial, what happened in 1945 that he didn't play? Was he in the service?


That's what his bbr listing says.



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seajaw wrote:
chip71bucs wrote:

Regarding Musial, what happened in 1945 that he didn't play? Was he in the service?


That's what his bbr listing says.


 Thanks Seajaw. I was looking at his life time stats and noticed the break.



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nacster wrote:

Nitrous, I have to respectfully disagree on some of the things you (and others) say about Pujols.

He no doubt is...or really right now "was"...a great player.  You and others here compare him to some of the true greats, players who could be considered in the "inner Circle" of greats.  I don't see it shaking out that way in the endgame.

This is all my opinion, so please feel free to chime in with any criticisms.......

Pujols has had so far a truly great career.  While not on the same level, I think of him RIGHT NOW as a good comparison to players like Don Mattingly, Mo Vaughn, Todd Helton, and Carlos Delgado...and I'll go as far as to put Alex Rodriguez and Ken Griffey Jr in that statement as well.  Players who had the injury bug (or the removal of a "little bit extra") bite them at an age where career numbers should still be able to be put up at a pretty darned good rate.

Pujols "supposedly" is only 33 (turns 34 in January), and while his numbers on the surface this year are still decent (OPS+ of 116), they are a FAR FAR cry from the numbers he put up 3 years ago.  His last 3 years, while on the surface are tremendous, represent a steep decline.

Pujols is currently I believe on the DL, for a foot injury we all know is something he is going to have to deal with for probably the rest of his career.  He AT THIS POINT doesn't at all seem the type to be able to age well.  He so far this year has looked, well, old.  I recently read a stat about something as basic as going from 1st-to-3rd on hits, and this is something that Pujols just CANNOT do any more (where in the past, Pujols was one of the smartest baserunners of the last decade, even discounting steals).  Even on grounders to the infield, he looks like a guy playing on 1 1/2 legs if that.

Pujols has 492 homers currently.  Many of us fans thought guys like Griffey and A-Rod had a darned good chance to beat Aaron's record.  Neither of them look they are going to come close (Griffey missed by about 120, A-Rod right now is over 100 behind and looks like a suspension is his in the near future, not to mention the guy has Bo Jackson's hip in his body).

Do I think Pujols gets to 600?  Honestly, I do not, not at the rate his body is breaking down.  Yes it is "only" 25 homers a year for the next 4 years.  A-Rod has hit 64 over the last 4 years (30, 16, 18, 0).  Griffey's last FIVE years produced only 94.  Do I think his career so far has earned him the right to be elected to the HOF?...yes, but to be included in the "Inner Circle" if his career continues down this steep precipice?   Not a chance.

 


 Pujols has been declared out for the season.........his final numbers are .258/17/64 in 99 games (391 AB's).  OBP was .330.  SLG was .437.  Leading league right now with 18 GIDP's.  Will "supposedly" be 34 next year.  I say his goose his past cooked..............oh, and he made $16 million this year.



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A little less than a year later and I'm happy to see Al playing well. The average still isn't what it was but it's 280 at the break and he has 20 homeruns and over 60 rbis. 30 100 looks like it's in his sights again and with a good second half maybe he can make a run at 300 (but I doubt it)

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To further my Pujols backing here : There are 6 players in MLB history to slug over 600 for their career. Pujols currently ranks 7th all time at 594. He also still holds a 319 lifetime avg and an on base over 400. To go one step further there are only 5 guys to hit over 300 on base of 400 and slugging over 600(career). (Bonds finished at 298). The others are Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Jimmy Foxx, Ted Williams and Hank Greenberg. Another 3/4 years I'm sure the totals will drop a little but still some great company

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He does seem to have made his way back, even if he is a step or two slower. And it's certainly to his advantage to be in a situation where he doesn't have to do all the heavy lifting himself.

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Yea between injuries switching teams cities leagues it looks like he's finally comfortable in LA

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Back to stir things up again..... although he's slowed down the last few weeks it looks like we have another 30-100 season coming out of Pujols. The average is down (.260) but seems that he's finally fully recovered from the foot issues. Average has dropped alittle career wise since we last talked about this (.315 career) and his on base is still over 400 with 546 career homers. He could be at 600 by next season if he keeps up this pace

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2 seasons * not next



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