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There were the classic sci-fi/horror movie posters and theater lobby cards from the 1950's and '60's.  Record albums, movies.  Stuff.  Always, it was something.

The comic book collection expanded into collecting original artwork and -- when I finally had a team and the time to go see them -- the card collecting morphed into getting many of those cards autographed.

Many of those earlier collections have come and gone.  The comics and most of the art were sold, as were the movie posters and lobby cards.  Approximately 500 albums were whittled down to about 50-60 CD collections.  The VHS movies were replaced by a smaller number of DVDs.

Many of the baseball cards are gone, too (but not the original '50's, '60's and '70's cards, or those that are autographed).

Part of it was a function of clearing out enough space to actually live.  I need a place the size of rollsox' digs.

Some of it, however, was a shift in my particular interests.  Much of the cleared-out space has since been filled by the expansion of my SOM collection, my baseball library, and other baseball-themed stuff (like the bobbleheads I showed off in the Bar thread).

Recently, I have been delving into period baseball materials, such as scorecards, schedules, and other ephemera.  This is largely tied into my replays, and my general interest in earlier eras, though some is as recent as the mid-'60's.

Exploring the history of the game is great fun, as I have written at length about in my replays.

I have already posted images of a few items that tied into my '38 replay, mainly editions of several club newsletters.

I now have several binders filled with scorecards, schedules and team rosters.  Over the past few months, I have been wrestling with how to present them here.  Where to start?

I have been taking lots of pictures, and scanning them for inclusion in this thread.

Let's start off with the more recent items: some programs from the '60's, mostly featuring the Mets.  When I first started getting interested in baseball, I latched onto the Mets (it was around the winter of '69-'70, so that's not exactly unexpected).  Their short history was, of course, fun to read about.
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What I have here is a number of programs, some of which I won at auction from Leland's sports auction house, and others from various eBayprograms30001.jpg sellers.

The Leland's stuff was particularly fascinating, in that much of it came from the private collection of a former baseball beat writer, Ike Kuhns.  Those programs came with his press ID, and newspaper clippings of the articles he wrote for those games.

One prime example is the 1968 Mayor's trophy exhibition the Mets played against the Yankees.  What a treasure trove!  Mickey Mantle and Whitey Ford played for the Yanks that day (as well as Jim Bouton), and the Mets actually won!
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Here's another "City Series" scorecard, White Sox-Cubs, from Comiskey Park, in 1958.program60001.jpg

program70001.jpgThe game was evidently played in mid-June, judging by the White Sox' home schedule.

Imagine stopping in the middle of a season, to play an exhibition game.  That's how they did it, back in those days.

Teams would schedule games against their Minor League affiliates during the season, too (which PO'd a lot of players, who wanted the days off).

These rivalries have always been a huge part of baseball.  Giants-Dodgers-Yankees, Mets-Yankees, Cubs-White Sox, Phillies-A's.

That played heavily in my mind in my 1934 season.



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In my eBay searches, I have also been able to snag a number of Old Timers Day programs, mostly Mets and Yankees from the mid-'60's.

What a joy it must be, to see your club's legends trotting out for a day of reminiscing, and a few innings of fun.

When you are talking about New York, as in these examples, you are talking about the cream of the baseball crop.
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Here's a look inside at a few of these programs, so you can get a feel what it was like to be a New York fan.

The first interior  shot is from the Mets' '63 program.  Among the photo highlights is a hatless Bobby Thomson making a fine catch (top left).  The three pics (l-r) below Thomson feature Ralph Branca, Willie Mays and Joe McCarthy.

On the top left of the facing page is King Carl Hubbell.  Below Hubbell are Zach Wheat and the Fordham Flash, Frankie Frisch.  Next to Frisch is Edd Roush.  Pictured on the right are Johnny Murphy and Hank Greenberg.

In 1965 (center pic), the Yankees put on another amazing Old Timers Day show, featuring the likes of Johnny Antonelli, Yogi Berra, Joe DiMaggio, Larry Doby, Bobby Doerr, Monte Irvin, Charlie Keller, Johnny Mize, Stan Musial, Bill Terry and Early Wynn.

The games often had themes, like remembering the 1939 All-Star Game (lower, right), or the 1951 Shot Heard 'Round the World.
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This is definitely some cool stuff.........

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Really, really cool stuff!



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Thanks.

I've been working on the collection for about a year now.  What I've posted is the tip of the iceberg, and I'll be getting into older programs and other stuff, as time permits.

I'd been sitting on the idea for the thread for quite some time.  Each time I was ready to start (or so I thought...), I'd get another item in the mail, and re-think how I wanted to write everything up.  From the newsletters, to scorecards, schedules and rosters.

This is a very time-consuming process (for me), taking the pics, getting film developed and prints made, scanning the photos I want to use, then working out the sizing of the pictures within the posts.

I'd like to shout out to markfranthony again, for helping me work through the problems I used to have with inserting photos into text blocks.  It makes the presentation look so much sharper.

One great thing about the process is that viewers can click on the "view image" tabs at the bottom of each post, to get a larger look at each image.



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Just a little tidbit about that Mayor's Trophy Game Mets' program...

The artist was a gentleman named John Cullen Murphy, a very talented commercial artist who is also well-known as having been the successor to the legendary Hal Foster, when Foster finally gave up the reins on his Prince Valiant strip.

Murphy, who had worked with Foster for a number of years, wrote and illustrated Prince Valiant for more than three decades, finally retiring himself in 2004.  Murphy died four months later.

Murphy won the National Cartoonists Society's Story Comic Strip Award in 1971 for a strip called Big Ben Bolt and again for Prince Valiant in 1974, 1976, 1978, 1984 and 1987.

Among his other illustrative endeavours was work for Sport, Colliers, Look and Esquire magazines.



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Back to the programs!

Time to set the dial back a few years on the Scorecard Time Machine...

Here's one for Tall Tactician to check out, from 1950.

It's the Fightin' Phillies, taking on the Cincinnati Reds.  Check out the lineup that eventually won the National League Pennant:

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Waitkus, of
Jones, if
Ennis, of
Sisler, if
Hamner, if
Goliat/Bloodworth, if
Lopata/Seminick, c
and the pitcher (Miller, or  Roberts, perhaps?)

Interestingly, the Phils' positions were not specified, just "if" (infield) or "of" (outfield).

This card is gloriously clean, which can be hard to find.  I'm sure we've all got a few messed-up, or partially-filled-out, scorecards in our past.

I love to find 'em clean.  But, a card that's been filled out completely and cleanly is just as great.  It's great to have the history of that particular game recorded.



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Here are a pair for our Pittsburgh fans, from a 1945 doubleheader against the New York Giants at Forbes Field.

programs170001.jpgprograms180001.jpgOf course, both squads were partially depleted from the war effort.

These two cards are great, for several different reasons.

First of all, both were scored cleanly and accurately.  They are easy to read.

In the one scorecard result we see here, the Pirates plundered the Giants, 16-4 (ouch!).

That was the lidlifter.




programs190001.jpgIn the nightcap, the Pirates struck again, posting an 11-5 win.  The games were played Sun., May 27th.

The other reason why this program/scorecard was so desirable was the wartime advertising.  You can see the Buy War Bonds artwork on the front covers.

Inside is a full-page advertisement, listing the names of various firms in the Steel City that were doing their part to support the war effort.



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Seajaw,

You are becoming a real baseball historian. At this rate the library of congress will some day have to refer to you as a resource and the Hall-of-Fame might start asking to borrow stuff from you. I assume you are finding the time to read all of these antiques.

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Seajaw....I did some research on the game you listed above....Cincy versus Philly in 1950.

If the lineup you posted is correct, by checking baseball-reference of all games Cincy played in Philly in 1950, I could not find a match to that lineup.



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"NACSTER'S HISTORICAL REPLAY"

33 REPLAYS IN THE BOOKS!

1876-1883

1896-1900

1906

1916-1917

1921, 1929

1936-1937

1943, 1946

1956-1963

1976

1986

1991

37,117 regular season games through 34 replays!

 

 



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That is some really nice stuff you have there seajaw. Its a real link to the past .



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TerryB wrote:

Seajaw,

You are becoming a real baseball historian. At this rate the library of congress will some day have to refer to you as a resource and the Hall-of-Fame might start asking to borrow stuff from you. I assume you are finding the time to read all of these antiques.


In my dreams! biggrin

Could you imagine that, in my cluttered house?

I read as much as I have time for.



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nacster wrote:

Seajaw....I did some research on the game you listed above....Cincy versus Philly in 1950.

If the lineup you posted is correct, by checking baseball-reference of all games Cincy played in Philly in 1950, I could not find a match to that lineup.


Not surprising.  Scorecards were printed in advance, of course, and the lineups had to be dependent on any number of factors, such as injuries, or a manager deciding to give a player a day off. 



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