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stargell8 wrote:

That is some really nice stuff you have there seajaw. Its a real link to the past .


Thanks.  I have tried (as much as possible), to keep an eye out for items from seasons I am actually playing (or might play in the future), so it's a fun tie-in.

Sometimes, though, the item is just too cool to let pass.  SOM may never produce the '45 season, but having the programs from that Pirates-Giants twinbill is still neat.

I just won a beautiful 1940 Cincinnati Reds scorecard a few minutes ago. 



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Seajaw,

You are becoming a real baseball historian. At this rate the library of congress will some day have to refer to you as a resource and the Hall-of-Fame might start asking to borrow stuff from you. I assume you are finding the time to read all of these antiques.


In my dreams! biggrin

Could you imagine that, in my cluttered house?

I read as much as I have time for.



-- Edited by seajaw on Friday 17th of January 2014 01:13:49 PM


     While I was reading this my wife was looking over my shoulder and gave me the stink eye that said "Do not even think of collecting more junk." I have many diverse hobbies and might have mentioned disposing of things that in hindsight I should have kept. Like my original Fort Apache stuff, WWII toy soldiers, trucks, forts, tanks etc; all the books, DVDs games... I refuse to part with my marbles (yes, I still have a few left) and all my polyhedron dice. I will never finish my novel...My point, friend Seajaw, is that you are actually making use of your collections. Occasionally I pull out the few sports cards I have kept after collecting like a fool in the mid to late 80's only to see them get buried away. The only autograph I ever got personally was Leo the Lip's. I had no idea who he was fifty years ago. Still, it's fun to relive the past vicariously through your postings for which I am grateful. I am but a puddle jump from Cooperstown and haven't been there in years. I think I shall schedule some research time next summer. Thanks for sharing.



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KJACK55 wrote:
seajaw wrote:
TerryB wrote:

Seajaw,

You are becoming a real baseball historian. At this rate the library of congress will some day have to refer to you as a resource and the Hall-of-Fame might start asking to borrow stuff from you. I assume you are finding the time to read all of these antiques.


In my dreams! biggrin

Could you imagine that, in my cluttered house?

I read as much as I have time for.



-- Edited by seajaw on Friday 17th of January 2014 01:13:49 PM


     While I was reading this my wife was looking over my shoulder and gave me the stink eye that said "Do not even think of collecting more junk." I have many diverse hobbies and might have mentioned disposing of things that in hindsight I should have kept. Like my original Fort Apache stuff, WWII toy soldiers, trucks, forts, tanks etc; all the books, DVDs games... I refuse to part with my marbles (yes, I still have a few left) and all my polyhedron dice. I will never finish my novel...My point, friend Seajaw, is that you are actually making use of your collections. Occasionally I pull out the few sports cards I have kept after collecting like a fool in the mid to late 80's only to see them get buried away. The only autograph I ever got personally was Leo the Lip's. I had no idea who he was fifty years ago. Still, it's fun to relive the past vicariously through your postings for which I am grateful. I am but a puddle jump from Cooperstown and haven't been there in years. I think I shall schedule some research time next summer. Thanks for sharing.


Thanks to you, too.  I'd love to find myself a "puddle jump" from Cooperstown some day.

Sometimes, I wish I had enough room to have been able to keep the rest of the stuff.  Also, selling off some of those old collections helped pave the way for some of the new stuff.

As far as the autographs are concerned, it's been a blast finally getting the chance to collect the autographs of guys who played when I first got interested in baseball (we had just lost the Pilots...).

You'd be surprised at how many guys who played in the '60's-'70's stuck around the game as coaches, broadcasters, etc.  For a while, I was buying the annual baseball magazines that listed complete rosters, including coaching staffs.

Those were the guys I was looking for!  I'd go to an Angels game and see a bunch of collectors waiting for Vlad Guerrero, while I was hoping to get Bill Stoneman. biggrin

I'll have to start another thread some day, to show off some of those autographs.



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Hi Seaj!

Great stuff...presented GREATLY! ..

CONGRATULATIONS! !



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Thanks.

I need to take a break from replaying, and yard work, and all that other stuff, so I can take more pics and do some more posting here.  This collection is continuing to grow (as much as my budget will allow, anyway...).



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Image.jpgI thought I would toss this out for everyone to see.

I have been buying a bunch of stuff for my collection recently.  You probably saw the Joe Bowman art in my '41 thread.

Well, as I am working to complete the '41 replay, I'm also looking ahead to the next replay, which is 1948.  As such, I wanted to have everything I might need, so I snagged a copy of the 1948 edition of the Heilbroner Baseball Blue Book on eBay.

These wonderful editions have been published by the Heilbroner Baseball Bureau since 1909.

They featured everything your front office would want to know about the upcoming season, including organizational information and to-be-played schedules for every league in Organized Baseball.

OB's working agreements and rules are included, along with directories listing all registered scouts, managers, coaches, umpires, even the baseball writers for each circuit!

The dimensions of all Major League parks are listed, along with all pennant winners and World Series Champions.

Now, for the feature that makes this edition so cool to have: It's the personal copy that belonged to former Major League infielder Andy High, who became a scout for the cardinals after his playing days ended!

The eBay listing had a photo of the front cover, and a picture of the first page inside.  There was a large stamp/bookplate, which is andyhighbluebookstamp.jpgsomething a prospective buyer might think would devalue the condition of the item.

The stamp, as you can see, featured a picture of a cardinal, and the name and address of the owner, Andy High.

I checked a biographical source and, sure enough, Andy High had moved to Webster Grove, MO, to settle down as he transitioned into scouting.

I figure this must have been his working copy!

What's great is that I got it for under $10, because no one else who looked at it realized who Andy High was, or didn't care.

I now own 12 different Heilbroner editions: 1927, '28, '30, '38, '39, '41, '45, '48, '49, '50, '51, and '53.



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What great stuff. So great to own pieces of baseball history.

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glewis wrote:

What great stuff. So great to own pieces of baseball history.


Thanks.

While it's not something like a Babe Ruth home run ball, or one of Ted Williams' bats, or anything like that, it is great fun to find these things, and share them here.

And it also helps to enhance my gaming, when I have things like the bits of memorabilia I used in my 1941 replay photo header.  That's all stuff I've come up with in my eBay searches.



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Definitely, bigtime cool Seaj!!. ..You're the curator of the site's COOPERSTOWN! 

SUPER STUFF, Seaj! 

 

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Thanks, Dawg.

One of these days, I have to turn my attention (and my budget) to frames for some of the items I have.



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That'd be awesome! ...Really nice stuff ,Seaj! 

 

 

 

 



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Image.jpgImage.jpgNext up, we have a Washington Senators' lineup card, filled out by manager Ossie Bluege, for a 1944 game.

I checked the lineups deployed by Bluege that season, and the only game it matches up with is the season finale, at Detroit. 

On the reverse side are the Ground Rules for Briggs Stadium.

The lineup that day?

Case, LF
Kuhel, 1B
Torres, 3B
Spence, CF
Vaughn, 2B
Powell, RF
Ferrell, C
Sullivan, SS
Leonard, P



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Excellent additions!... Nothing like baseball ephemera...CONGRATULATIONS JEFF!



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Thanks, Dawg.

I have some lineup cards from more recent games, like within the last 10 years, or so, that I was able to snag at Safeco Field.  But I never thought I'd be able to get one from as far back as 1944, thanks to eBay.



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Image.jpgAnother of the interesting items I have found on eBay is the Official Daily Baseball Score Card.

These cards were printed and distributed throughout the Midwest (other regions may have had their own variations) by the Junction Printing Company.  I have managed to acquire four of them, so far.

Placed in shop windows, and other such places of interest to passersby, they highlighted all of the day's action in the American League, National League, and American Association.

They featured the line scores, winning and losing batteries, and a summary of the day's home runs.  And, of course, lots of local advertising around the edges.

The two cards I am highlighting in this post each have fascinating stories to tell (the other two cards I have are framed and hanging on the wall in my Stratcave).







Image.jpgThe first one is from Aug. 1, 1929.

As we zoom in on the center of the card, we see the results from the game between St. Louis and Brooklyn.  You'll note that the winning pitcher was Pete Alexander.

What makes this significant is that was the next-to-last victory of his glorious career (he had one more on Aug. 10th).

It was his last as a starter, however, as his final win was notched in a relief stint against, ironically, the Phillies.

Also, note the plug for an upcoming exhibition game between the Brooklyn Dodgers and Racine, of the Wisconsin State League, at Horlick Athletic Field.

"Here's Your Opportunity To See A Big League Ball Club FEATURING DAZZY VANCE Strikeout King Of The Big Leagues ALSO BABE HERMAN Leading National League Hitter"





Image.jpgThe second card also has a couple of interesting things to note.  It's dated June 25th, 1931.

Obviously, the look changed a little bit, and they secured fewer advertisers this go-round.

This one is cool for a couple of reasons.

One is that -- as we know -- in those days, Major Leaguers often went back to the bushes and played a few more years (or a lot more, in some cases) after they got cut from Big League rosters.












Image.jpgCheck out the info for that A.A, game between Minneapolis and Toledo.  It's a 5-0 shutout win for Toledo twirler...Carl Mays, still submarining two years after he last pitched for the New York Giants.

It was his final season professionally, and was split between Toledo and Louisville.

Now, look over to the daily home run listing.  It was a good day for the Bronx Bombers, as Babe and Lou both went deep, and Ben Chapman hit a pair.

Speaking of slugging, look at what Indianapolis did to Kansas City in a twinbill sweep.  OUCH!

One more interesting thing, about that double dip.  It looks like Mike Cvengros not only won the lidlifter, but he also homered in the game.  Have a day, Mike!

Cvengros was evidently considered a fair hitter, as he logged in 37 games on the bump, plus 11 other appearances.  The home run was his only four-bagger of the season, but he did hit .256, with three doubles and a triple, as well.  He hit three homers in 1930, while pitching for Indianapolis.

If the name sounds familiar, he pitched for four Major League clubs during the '20's, making it to the World Series in 1927 with the Pirates.  He was also a member of the pennant-winning 1929 Cubs, but didn't appear in the Series.



The small print is obviously going to be tough to read.  Just click on the thumbnails at the bottom of the post to get a better look at each pic.



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