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VP of Operations

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Building the Hall of Fame
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Let's pretend we're in some alternate reality where the history of Major League Baseball is the same as it is here.

But no one ever built a Hall of Fame...until now.

Given the complete history of baseball, from its origins to present day, and based on everything we know now...who are the first 10 players you would induct into this brand-spanking-new facility?

Remember, these are just the first 10, representing all of baseball history.  Many others will get in eventually...maybe (depends on what the voters say).

However, you do want to make a statement with the first class.

To make it easy, we'll limit the considerations to playing careers.  The same 10-year minimum applies, unless your applicant has some kind of special qualification that you feel should override that standard.  And all players must be retired for five years before they are eligible.

Please offer your selections to me via PM by Fri., Dec. 12th.  I'll tally and post the results of our "election" next weekend.

If there is enough interest, we can continue, adding 10 more players each week, until...

(In no particular order) here are my 10, just to get things started:

1. Babe Ruth

2. Willie Mays

3. Walter Johnson

4. Pete Alexander

5. Honus Wagner

6. Ty Cobb

7. Christy Mathewson

8. Hank Aaron

9. Lou Gehrig

10. Rogers Hornsby



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What a great idea. I'm sending you my Top 10 ASAP. It would be great to have a debate as well.

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glewis wrote:

What a great idea. I'm sending you my Top 10 ASAP. It would be great to have a debate as well.


Thanks.  And thanks to everyone who has already participated.

I'm hoping we have a doozy (friendly, of course).

As I think things over, I want to leave enough time between voting sessions for the inevitable back-and-forth, so maybe I'll back off on doing a new round each week.

Also, it will give everyone time to research their future choices.  There are so many new research tools available, so many different metrics.  You can learn a lot just by looking at the splits, and other things, such as ballpark effects and neutralized stats.

I'm hoping we have a blast doing this.



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I can't really argue against any of your choices, only justify why I picked my 10.

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glewis wrote:

I can't really argue against any of your choices, only justify why I picked my 10.


And that's where it's really going to get interesting. wink 



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A few thoughts while we are pondering names...

What should be the main qualification for enshrinement?  Big pile o' stats?  A specific period of dominance (for instance, Ralph Kiner's seven consecutive home run titles)?  Most wins for a pitcher in a 10-year span (or maybe lowest ERA over that period)?

What about just adding up a player's 10 best seasons, since 10 years is the cutoff point in terms of career length?  If you have 10 seasons that add up to Hall worthiness, then you should get in...?

Should 10 seasons of Hall worthiness be a requirement?  What if a player has seven great seasons, and four or five that were very, very, very, good?

What if the guy is the best pitcher/position player on the planet for five or six seasons, and is average at best during the rest?

What kind of consideration should be placed on a career-ending/threatening injury or illness?  Some kind of consideration for time lost?



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What if you are a key player on a team that won multiple rings, or -- at least -- multiple pennants?

Should rings weigh more heavily in consideration?



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I was pondering many of the same questions today while driving back and forth to a meeting.

I based my first 10 list on 3 factors - historical dominance (e.g. Ruth & Cobb), made a historic contribution to the game or altered the course of the game (e.g. Ruth & Robinson) or was an iconic figure/recognizable by most Americans, baseball fan or not (e.g. Ruth, Robinson, Cobb, Aaron, Young).

I would also include dominating the era in which they played or was the best player at their position during an era. I do think there has to be several seasons of being outstanding and consistently good over the course of their career.

I'm leery about projecting a "if this player didn't miss time or wasn't injured". Ted Williams gets in, but I don't think people should factor in the seasons he missed due to war. What if he played and suffered a career ending injury? You just never know how it would have played out.

I think championships is a factor, but not the amount of championships won. I think outstanding postseason players get a bump. Performing your best on the biggest stage - there's something to be said for that.

Lots to ponder.



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glewis wrote:

I was pondering many of the same questions today while driving back and forth to a meeting.

I based my first 10 list on 3 factors - historical dominance (e.g. Ruth & Cobb), made a historic contribution to the game or altered the course of the game (e.g. Ruth & Robinson) or was an iconic figure/recognizable by most Americans, baseball fan or not (e.g. Ruth, Robinson, Cobb, Aaron, Young).

I would also include dominating the era in which they played or was the best player at their position during an era. I do think there has to be several seasons of being outstanding and consistently good over the course of their career.

I'm leery about projecting a "if this player didn't miss time or wasn't injured". Ted Williams gets in, but I don't think people should factor in the seasons he missed due to war. What if he played and suffered a career ending injury? You just never know how it would have played out.

I think championships is a factor, but not the amount of championships won. I think outstanding postseason players get a bump. Performing your best on the biggest stage - there's something to be said for that.

Lots to ponder.


"...or was the best player at their position during an era."

Obviously, though, we have to allow for the fact that some periods are devood of top-shelf talent at some positions.  For instance, the period of 1900 to around 1925 is short on Hall-caliber catchers.

And there aren't that many third basemen in the Hall, period.

Is that because there weren't that many great third basemen, or that third basemen are being wrongly judged, in general?  Take the case of Ken Boyer.

Is he not a great enough third baseman?  Or, is he being judged because he's not a great enough player, when thrown into the mix against first basemen and outfielders?

Should the determination be how does Ken Boyer stack up against other third baseman in the Hall?  Or how he stacks up against everyone else?



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I have my 10, I shall PM you sometime in the next couple days........

I can tell you my list is going to vary quite a bit from yours.....

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nacster wrote:

I have my 10, I shall PM you sometime in the next couple days........

I can tell you my list is going to vary quite a bit from yours.....


Wouldn't be any fun if we didn't have anything to toss back-and-forth, would it?

We seem to have a base of about six players who have been named on every ballot I've received.  Beyond that, a group of 5-6 others who show up regularly.



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Just a quick reminder...

Deadline for submission of your ballots is midnight (PST) Friday.

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Looking forward to seeing the results.

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The deadline has passed.  Thanks to everyone who participated.

I will announce the results later in the weekend.



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Pretty hard to argue with the names on the list.

My first reaction was to try and make room for 3 names ; Musial, Ted Williams and Mantle.

But who would they knock off the list ?

Maybe Musial over Gehrig ?

It's a great winter-time thought provoking notion.

Keep the hot stove fires burning Seajaw !!!!!!



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