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Curt Schilling is at........35



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One guy you wouldn't think of due to his relatively low win total...............Pedro Martinez..............he had 40.............

He was 1-1 in RFK Stadium......4-0 in Candlestick...........3-2 in 3 Rivers........3-0 in the Vet.......he would have another but was 0-1 in Mile High (before Coors remember).

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Dennis Martinez with.........35



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The aforementioned Bartolo Colon..........had 38 (including the Tokyo Dome).........



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AJ Burnett................39 stadiums...........164 wins............that's a heckuva percentage.......



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Not bad at all.

The best chance for any pitcher to have won at each ballpark in their career was between 1939 and '52, when the teams/parks were stable.  The Phils had moved into Shibe Park in the middle of '37, so the Baker Bowl would not be an active venue for any pitcher starting his career in '38.

Only 14 parks, since the Phils/A's shared Shibe, and the Cards/Browns co-habitated at Sportsman's Park.

Of course, the Braves relocated to Milwaukee after '52 (actually, just before Spring Training in '53) and Athletics moved to K.C. after the '54 season.  Then, the Dodgers and Giants moved, baseball expanded, several teams moved into new parks, and the chase became exponentially more difficult.

Even the pitchers who spent a lot of time in both leagues missed out.

Gaylord Perry, for instance, never pitched against the Angels when they played at Dodger Stadium ('62-'65), never faced the A's in K.C., either second Senators' team, never beat the Mets at the Polo Grounds (pitched three times there with no decisions) and never toed the rubber against the Pilots at Sick's Stadium.

Jim Kaat didn't do it either.  He missed out on wins in the Astrodome (0-2), was 0-2 vs. the Expos at both Parque Jarry and Stade Olympic.  He was 0-1 at Sick's and had no decisions in two relief appearances at Exhibition Stadium (Toronto).

Nor did Tommy John (two games, no decisions, at Sick's against the Pilots, and 0-2 vs. the Cubs at Wrigley).  Don Sutton was 0-4 at Yankee Stadium, plus he never pitched against the A's in K.C., the Pilots at Sick's, nor the Rangers before they left D.C.

No Interleague kept Tom Seaver out of Sick's, the Griff in Washington, the Met in Minnesota, and he never faced the A's at Municipal Stadium in K.C.  He was also 0-4 at Exhibition Stadium in Toronto and 0-2 vs. the Mariners at the Kingdome.

Winning against each team in each park seems to be tougher than I thought it would be.



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Nac,

Where did you pull the data?

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Nitrous Oxide wrote:

Nac,

Where did you pull the data?


 Go to the players baseball reference page..........

At the top above his stats you have a bunch of drop boxes...........use "splits"...........it drops down an option for "career"..........if you click that, go allllllllll the way to the bottom of his page........it gives you a list of their stats in every ballpark..............the more current guys it comes right before pitches versus certain umpires..........obviously the old time guys the stats have lots of gaps or are missing entirely............



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nacster wrote:
Nitrous Oxide wrote:

Nac,

Where did you pull the data?


 Go to the players baseball reference page..........

At the top above his stats you have a bunch of drop boxes...........use "splits"...........it drops down an option for "career"..........if you click that, go allllllllll the way to the bottom of his page........it gives you a list of their stats in every ballpark..............the more current guys it comes right before pitches versus certain umpires..........obviously the old time guys the stats have lots of gaps or are missing entirely............


I'm not sure if bbr gives a complete breakdown.

For instance, in Catfish Hunter's career record, it lists his numbers in Oakland, but we're left to wonder how that breaks down as a Yankee pitcher versus the A's, and his lifetime home record pitching for the A's in Oakland.

He was 80-39 at the Oakland Coliseum, but how much of that is his won-lost record for Oakland, versus his W/L record against the A's at the Coliseum?

There could be many instances where a player pitched for a team in a ballpark, then pitched for another team against his former team in that same park.

Should it matter?  Or does it matter that he just won a game there against somebody?  Is winning a game for the Braves at County Stadium the same as winning a game against the Brewers at County Stadium?

What about winning for (or against) the Giants at the Polo Grounds versus winning for (or against) the Mets at the Polo Grounds? 



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I don't think it does...........but my search basically boils down to the question.............."what pitcher has won in the most ballparks?"

What team they played for............or what team they played against in the case of the Polo Grounds you mentioned...........was NOT the basis for my search. My search paralleled the question of what players has hit homers in the most ballparks; again, irrelevant what team he played for while doing it.

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nacster wrote:

I don't think it does...........but my search basically boils down to the question.............."what pitcher has won in the most ballparks?"

What team they played for............or what team they played against in the case of the Polo Grounds you mentioned...........was NOT the basis for my search. My search paralleled the question of what players has hit homers in the most ballparks; again, irrelevant what team he played for while doing it.


Whether it matters or not, we do seem to come to one united conclusion: we can't find any pitcher who has won in every park that has been in play during their career.

At least, none in the expansion era ('61-present).



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seajaw wrote:
nacster wrote:

I don't think it does...........but my search basically boils down to the question.............."what pitcher has won in the most ballparks?"

What team they played for............or what team they played against in the case of the Polo Grounds you mentioned...........was NOT the basis for my search. My search paralleled the question of what players has hit homers in the most ballparks; again, irrelevant what team he played for while doing it.


Whether it matters or not, we do seem to come to one united conclusion: we can't find any pitcher who has won in every park that has been in play during their career.

At least, none in the expansion era ('61-present).


 That is 100% correct........I would not include pitchers who pitched when there were fewer teams.  And even if we go back in time, due to the very few pitchers who pitched....successfully.....in both leagues, who knows how many times it even happened in the 20's-50's.



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nacster wrote:
seajaw wrote:
nacster wrote:

I don't think it does...........but my search basically boils down to the question.............."what pitcher has won in the most ballparks?"

What team they played for............or what team they played against in the case of the Polo Grounds you mentioned...........was NOT the basis for my search. My search paralleled the question of what players has hit homers in the most ballparks; again, irrelevant what team he played for while doing it.


Whether it matters or not, we do seem to come to one united conclusion: we can't find any pitcher who has won in every park that has been in play during their career.

At least, none in the expansion era ('61-present).


 That is 100% correct........I would not include pitchers who pitched when there were fewer teams.  And even if we go back in time, due to the very few pitchers who pitched....successfully.....in both leagues, who knows how many times it even happened in the 20's-50's.


 Jim Bunning would have been a good choice, but his number of different parks was 26..........there were three he did not win in (0-1 in Parc Jarry, 0-1 in Three Rivers, 0-3 in Original Busch Stadium/Sportsmans Park)



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