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RE: Hall, Heroes and Ballpark effects.
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chip71bucs wrote:

Carter starting over Bench???confuse


In the opening description, I mentioned that there was a methodology for how players were selected (and who would start). The decision was based on performance and for batters a heavy emphasis was placed on PRO+.  While the numbers are fairly close, PRO+ favors Carter by 2 points. It may not sound big (and it really isn't), but there were a number of players in that area. As I discovered, it is not a perfect system. Given your comment and the fact that Carter is a 3L and Bench a 1R, I will start Carter against lefties and Bench against righties. That means Bench will get 2/3 of the playing time.

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PRO+ (sometime PRO or APRO)
Adjusted Production.  A park- and league-adjusted version of OPS.  Used by Total Baseball, and thus often quoted in comparing players from different eras.   Defined as PRO+ = (OBP / LgOBP) + (SLG / LgSLG) -1, where OBP and SLG have been adjusted for the player’s home park, and LgOBP and LgSLG are the league average OBP and SLG, respectively.  A PRO+ of 100 is league average  (as in OPS, the decimal point is omitted).  Often thought of as the “percentage” better than league average that a player’s rate of production was — e.g. a PRO+ of 120 is “20% better” than league average, while a 95 PRO+ is “5% worse”.  The percentages are not strictly true, but it’s a useful approximation.


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Thanks Nitrous, Nacster and Stratfan for following along. I will get the first results up this weekend.



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Thanks for the explanation TT. I'll be rooting for Folsom!

Any team that has "The Man in Black" as a manager, well.......................biggrin



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chip71bucs wrote:

Thanks for the explanation TT. I'll be rooting for Folsom!

Any team that has "The Man in Black" as a manager, well.......................biggrin


Yes, that was a fun aspect of this project. Each team represents a band. I believe I have a band from every decade starting with the 1960s with a concentration of bands in the late 70s into the early 80s. Some are obvious based on the manager or song or album in their name. Most are considered to be in the alternative category. Some are well know and some are obscure. So long as there was a baseball team that hadn't won a World Series in 100 hundred years, I thought we needed a man up front in a uniform of black.wink



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Just curious, TT, those numbers given for Bench and Carter above don't seem to match up with any seasons played? Also if you use the PRO+ stat, they were all below average seasons except for one?

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Tall Tactician wrote:
chip71bucs wrote:

Carter starting over Bench???confuse


 Given your comment and the fact that Carter is a 3L and Bench a 1R, I will start Carter against lefties and Bench against righties. That means Bench will get 2/3 of the playing time.


 Based on the cards themselves this is exactly what I would do.



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Grey Eagle wrote:

Just curious, TT, those numbers given for Bench and Carter above don't seem to match up with any seasons played? Also if you use the PRO+ stat, they were all below average seasons except for one?


 Those were Strat replays using the Heroes and Hall set. And yes, compared to the average Hall and Hero player, Bench and Carter did not perform as well as the average player offensively. The set is dominated by first basemen and outfielders.



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Tall Tactician wrote:
Grey Eagle wrote:

Just curious, TT, those numbers given for Bench and Carter above don't seem to match up with any seasons played? Also if you use the PRO+ stat, they were all below average seasons except for one?


 Those were Strat replays using the Heroes and Hall set. And yes, compared to the average Hall and Hero player, Bench and Carter did not perform as well as the average player offensively. The set is dominated by first basemen and outfielders.


 Okay, that makes sense. Just like Bench/Carter, there might be some other moves that I might make. Santo(minors)/Boyer, Yaz/Canseco, Snider/Jackson and maybe Dickey/Cochrane are possible platoon situations. The first player given was not a regular. i had a few more but would have to go back over. This is just based on raw 7 yr numbers and balance factors - I don't have these cards. But I like the approach of taking past replay performances as a measuring stick to success - go with the "hot" players.



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Without cutting and pasting all their numbers, here are the Pro+:

Santo 85 Boyer 91

Yaz 95 Canseco 105

Snider 100 Jackson 103

Dickey 87 Cochrane 91

As you can see, good suggestions, but I don't want to get mired down in all the possibilities of platoons.

There's a significant difference between "Yaz and Canseco" and "Santo and Boyer." In NLF draft terms, a third round picks and seventh round picks. Plus Canseco plays RF and Yaz is only rated for LF and CF.

Jackson/Snider is a much closer comparison.   If Snider was a 4L instead of a 4R, I would probably do the platoon.

The Dickey/Cochrane platoon is another good discussion. Personally, I have always favored Dickey of the two because he has more power. Cochrane is a 1R and Dickey E. Although there's not much difference, I will insert Dickey against lefties. That way he'll get about 1/3 of the playing time.



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When you have projects like these, no stars get full playing time unless you are "Inner Circle" guys (Aaron, Ruth, Mays, Cobb, etc). The other "run-of-the-mill" superstars always have platoon chances......

Reading that sentence back, it looks funny doesn't it?

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Grey Eagle wrote:
Tall Tactician wrote:
Grey Eagle wrote:

Just curious, TT, those numbers given for Bench and Carter above don't seem to match up with any seasons played? Also if you use the PRO+ stat, they were all below average seasons except for one?


 Those were Strat replays using the Heroes and Hall set. And yes, compared to the average Hall and Hero player, Bench and Carter did not perform as well as the average player offensively. The set is dominated by first basemen and outfielders.


 Okay, that makes sense. Just like Bench/Carter, there might be some other moves that I might make. Santo(minors)/Boyer, Yaz/Canseco, Snider/Jackson and maybe Dickey/Cochrane are possible platoon situations. The first player given was not a regular. i had a few more but would have to go back over. This is just based on raw 7 yr numbers and balance factors - I don't have these cards. But I like the approach of taking past replay performances as a measuring stick to success - go with the "hot" players.


 To be fair, in those replays, each of those teams was assigned a ballpark that may have affected their performance. Part of the reason for this experiment.

A few things you should be aware of with this project, all pure starting pitchers who are not in the first five starters were assigned 3 innings of relief work so they could be used more promiently in long relief situations, extra innings and mop up duties. The 6th and 7th pitchers of each team were assigned three starts apiece. The sixth starter was assigned starts in April, June and August. The seventh starter in May, July and September. Other than that HAL was in charge of making pitching assignments. I selected the "primary" paired with the "try to limit overusage options." This will result in less substitution than if I had selected the "primary with rest" option. Hence team depth is not as important.  One final note on the settings, the minor league eligible option was chosen. HAL will control who is on the daily roster. I would have preferred the minor league players only being called up for injury, but that option does not exist.

 



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nacster wrote:

When you have projects like these, no stars get full playing time unless you are "Inner Circle" guys (Aaron, Ruth, Mays, Cobb, etc). The other "run-of-the-mill" superstars always have platoon chances......

Reading that sentence back, it looks funny doesn't it?


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LEAGUE STANDINGS FOR 1795 HOF
 
                            WON LOST  PCT   GB  MAGIC#
1795 Rockville RLO           16  10  .615 ----   136  
1795 London LBA              15  11  .577  1.0        
1795 Folsom FBL              14  12  .538  2.0        
1795 Texas TBE               14  12  .538  2.0        
1795 Waterloo WAS            14  12  .538  2.0        
1795 Los Angeles LAH         14  12  .538  2.0        
1795 San Rambler SRD         12  14  .462  4.0        
1795 Thompson TGU            12  14  .462  4.0        
1795 Chelsea CDE             10  16  .385  6.0        
1795 Ohio OCG                 9  17  .346  7.0        
 
 
 
       OVERALL RECORD
Team   WON LOST   PCT  HOME  ROAD  LEFT RIGHT EXTRA 1-RUN   LAST 10   STREAK
CDE     10   16  .385  6- 8  4- 8  2- 4  8-12  1- 0  3- 2     5-5     Won 1
FBL     14   12  .538  3- 3 11- 9  6- 1  8-11  2- 1  2- 4     6-4     Won 2
LAH     14   12  .538 10- 8  4- 4  7- 2  7-10  1- 0  4- 3     5-5     Lost 1
LBA     15   11  .577  5- 6 10- 5  4- 2 11- 9  0- 1  4- 3     5-5     Lost 1
OCG      9   17  .346  1- 7  8-10  3- 3  6-14  1- 3  2- 5     4-6     Lost 2
RLO     16   10  .615 11- 4  5- 6  4- 4 12- 6  1- 2  1- 3     7-3     Won 2
SRD     12   14  .462 11-12  1- 2  4- 5  8- 9  3- 2  5- 3     5-5     Lost 3
TBE     14   12  .538  7- 8  7- 4  5- 5  9- 7  3- 2  4- 2     5-5     Won 2
TGU     12   14  .462  8- 7  4- 7  4- 2  8-12  2- 0  4- 4     3-7     Won 1
WAS     14   12  .538  2- 3 12- 9  4- 4 10- 8  0- 3  2- 2     5-5     Lost 2
TOTAL  130  130  .500
HOME    64   66  .492
ROAD    66   64  .508
LEFT    43   32  .573
RIGHT   87   98  .470
 
TEAM   -APRIL   MAY  JUNE  JULY   AUG SEPT+ RUNS-AGNST
CDE     10-16  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0    146- 162
FBL     14-12  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0    155- 131
LAH     14-12  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0    150- 138
LBA     15-11  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0    151- 141
OCG      9-17  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0    137- 175
RLO     16-10  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0    194- 140
SRD     12-14  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0    138- 146
TBE     14-12  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0    124- 143
TGU     12-14  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0    152- 165
WAS     14-12  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0  0- 0    156- 162




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LEAGUE GRAND TOTALS (primary report) FOR 1795 HOF
 
 
TEAM                   AVG    AB    R     H   2B  3B   HR  RBI   SB   CS    E
1795 Rockville        .338   941  194   318   41  20   43  186   18    5   10
1795 Chelsea          .310   938  146   291   55  14   31  135    9    6   20
1795 Thompson         .305   927  152   283   44  16   39  143    7    3   15
1795 Waterloo         .297   936  156   278   50   6   54  154   11    2   12
1795 Ohio             .289   926  137   268   56  15   28  130   20    3   13
1795 Folsom           .288   968  155   279   49  12   41  146   15    2   16
1795 Los Angeles      .282   884  150   249   42  11   41  148    6    4   15
1795 London           .281   904  151   254   46  11   45  145    9    4   14
1795 San Rambler      .273   916  138   250   44  12   30  134   14    0    9
1795 Texas            .237   877  124   208   33   7   40  116    7    2   17
--------------------  ---- ----- ---- ----- ---- --- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
LEAGUE TOTALS         .291  9217 1503  2678  460 124  392 1437  116   31  141
 
 
TEAM                   ERA   W   L      IP     H    R   ER   HR   BB    SO OAVG
1795 Folsom           4.38  14  12   234.0   243  131  114   36   94   158 .266
1795 Rockville        4.98  16  10   233.1   272  140  129   42   90   186 .292
1795 London           5.01  15  11   233.2   262  141  130   39   97   162 .286
1795 Los Angeles      5.03  14  12   231.0   257  138  129   37   96   146 .286
1795 Texas            5.10  14  12   240.0   278  143  136   43   81   184 .291
1795 San Rambler      5.31  12  14   242.1   267  146  143   41   82   204 .287
1795 Chelsea          5.79  10  16   227.0   282  162  146   39   87   146 .307
1795 Waterloo         5.84  14  12   231.1   281  162  150   42   99   112 .303
1795 Thompson         5.93  12  14   229.0   262  165  151   41   99   153 .290
1795 Ohio             6.67   9  17   230.2   274  175  171   32  117   162 .296
-------------------- ----- --- --- ------- ----- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----
LEAGUE TOTALS         5.40 130 130  2332.1  2678 1503 1399  392  942  1613 .291


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LEAGUE LEADERS FOR 1795                                 PAGE 1
 
 ----BATTING AVERAGE----   ------RUNS SCORED------   ----------HITS---------  
 J.Burkett     RLO  .444   E.Delahanty   FBL    31   J.Burkett     RLO    52   
 R.Carew       OCG  .418   J.Burkett     RLO    28   E.Delahanty   FBL    52   
 E.Delahanty   FBL  .416   N.Lajoie      SRD    27   G.Sisler      RLO    45   
 W.Stargell    CDE  .405   M.Suttles     TGU    25   N.Lajoie      SRD    43   
 R.Hornsby     LAH  .396   W.Wells       RLO    25   R.Carew       OCG    41   
 T.Speaker     CDE  .383   M.Mantle      RLO    25   T.Speaker     CDE    41   
 J.Dimaggio    WAS  .381   T.Cobb        LAH    24   H.Wagner      FBL    41   
 G.Sisler      RLO  .378   B.Bonds*      LBA    24   M.Suttles     TGU    40   
 N.Lajoie      SRD  .377   E.Collins     RLO    24   T.Cobb        LAH    40   
 T.Cobb        LAH  .374   H.Jennings    TGU    23   W.Brown       WAS    40   
 M.Suttles     TGU  .367   J.Wilson      OCG    23   J.Jackson     CDE    38   
 A.Simmons     LBA  .362   J.Gibson      CDE    23   A.Simmons     LBA    38   
 
 --------DOUBLES--------   --------TRIPLES--------   --------HOMERUNS-------  
 E.Delahanty   FBL    13   E.Delahanty   FBL     7   M.Suttles     TGU    11   
 T.Stearnes    TGU    11   T.Stearnes    TGU     5   S.Musial      OCG    10   
 K.Griffey Jr  LAH    11   J.Burkett     RLO     5   J.Gibson      CDE    10   
 S.Musial      OCG    10   T.Cobb        LAH     4   B.Bonds*      LBA    10   
 B.Bonds*      LBA    10   S.Musial      OCG     4   R.Jackson     FBL    10   
 N.Lajoie      SRD    10   T.Speaker     CDE     4   K.Griffey Jr  LAH     9   
 M.Suttles     TGU     9   B.Rogan       RLO     4   J.Bagwell     TBE     9   
 W.Stargell    CDE     9   OTHERS TIED WITH      3   L.Gehrig      SRD     9   
 A.Simmons     LBA     9                             OTHERS TIED WITH      8   
 OTHERS TIED WITH      8                                                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
 
 -----RUNS BATTED IN----   ---------WALKS---------   ---INTENTIONAL WALKS---  
 M.Suttles     TGU    33   T.Williams    TBE    29   R.Hornsby     LAH     5   
 L.Gehrig      SRD    31   B.Bonds*      LBA    24   L.Gehrig      SRD     5   
 R.Hornsby     LAH    29   M.Mantle      RLO    22   B.Ruth        FBL     5   
 G.Sisler      RLO    29   B.Ruth        FBL    19   J.Gibson      CDE     4   
 M.Mantle      RLO    27   J.Gibson      CDE    18   B.Mackey      RLO     4   
 K.Griffey Jr  LAH    26   E.Martinez    FBL    17   N.Lajoie      SRD     4   
 J.Gibson      CDE    25   R.Hornsby     LAH    16   T.Stearnes    TGU     2   
 H.Aaron       WAS    25   H.Greenberg   OCG    16   F.Robinson    CDE     2   
 B.Bonds*      LBA    24   B.Hamilton    OCG    16   B.Bonds*      LBA     2   
 A.Simmons     LBA    24   J.Morgan      CDE    16   A.Simmons     LBA     2   
 H.Wagner      FBL    24   W.Boggs       WAS    16   B.Rogan       RLO     2   
 R.Jackson     FBL    23   W.Wells       RLO    15   OTHERS TIED WITH      1   
 
 ------STRIKE OUTS------   ------HIT BY PITCH-----   -----SACRIFICE HITS----  
 J.Bagwell     TBE    33   H.Jennings    TGU     7   R.Carew       OCG     6   
 M.McGwire     WAS    29   F.Robinson    CDE     4   E.Collins     RLO     5   
 J.Canseco     SRD    28   M.Minoso      TBE     4   L.Grove       FBL     5   
 J.Torre       OCG    26   J.Jackson     CDE     3   H.Jennings    TGU     4   
 H.Killebrew   SRD    26   OTHERS TIED WITH      2   R.Yount       OCG     4   
 O.Charleston  SRD    25                             OTHERS TIED WITH      3   
 R.Jackson     FBL    25                                                       
 E.Martinez    FBL    24                                                       
 M.Suttles     TGU    23                                                       
 S.Sosa        LBA    23                                                       
 OTHERS TIED WITH     21                                                       
                                                                               
 
 ------STOLEN BASES-----   ----STOLEN BASE PCT----   -----HITTING STREAK----  
 B.Hamilton    OCG    13   J.Wilson      OCG 1.000   H.Heilmann    OCG    18   
 B.Larkin      WAS     7   J.Kelley      LBA 1.000   T.Stearnes    TGU    16   
 E.Collins     RLO     6   O.Charleston  SRD 1.000   K.Griffey Jr  LAH    15   
 O.Charleston  SRD     6   B.Larkin      WAS  .875   R.Hornsby     LAH    14   
 J.Kelley      LBA     5   B.Hamilton    OCG  .867   J.Burkett     RLO  * 13   
 G.Sisler      RLO     5   G.Sisler      RLO  .833   J.Wilson      OCG  * 12   
 E.Delahanty   FBL     5   E.Delahanty   FBL  .833   L.Gehrig      SRD    12   
 T.Cobb        LAH     4   E.Collins     RLO  .750   E.Delahanty   FBL    11   
 J.Wilson      OCG     4   H.Wagner      FBL  .750   K.Boyer       CDE  * 10   
 OTHERS TIED WITH      3   W.Wells       RLO  .600   OTHERS TIED WITH     10   
                           OTHERS TIED WITH   .500                             
                                                                               
 
 ---PINCH HIT BAT AVG---   ------SLUGGING PCT-----   ------ON BASE PCT------  
 E.Flick       WAS  .750   W.Stargell    CDE  .823   T.Williams    TBE  .500   
 G.Kell        FBL  .750   M.Suttles     TGU  .789   R.Hornsby     LAH  .491   
 B.Leonard     OCG  .625   J.Dimaggio    WAS  .774   J.Burkett     RLO  .488   
 M.Carey       CDE  .500   R.Hornsby     LAH  .758   B.Bonds*      LBA  .471   
 F.Thomas      WAS  .500   B.Bonds*      LBA  .758   W.Stargell    CDE  .460   
 D.Brouthers   SRD  .500   S.Musial      OCG  .743   T.Speaker     CDE  .459   
 B.Rogan       RLO  .400   J.Gibson      CDE  .733   M.Mantle      RLO  .446   
 M.Dihigo      RLO  .400   K.Griffey Jr  LAH  .731   E.Delahanty   FBL  .443   
 J.McGraw      LAH  .375   L.Gehrig      SRD  .702   T.Cobb        LAH  .442   
 C.Yastrzemski SRD  .375   J.Burkett     RLO  .675   J.Gibson      CDE  .442   
 J.Mize        TGU  .333   E.Delahanty   FBL  .656   J.Dimaggio    WAS  .441   
 T.Gwynn       CDE  .333   E.Mathews     RLO  .649   R.Carew       OCG  .438   
 
 ---RUNSCREATED/27OUT---   -----TOTAL AVERAGE-----   ------TOTAL BASES------  
 R.Hornsby     LAH  16.9   R.Hornsby     LAH 1.554   M.Suttles     TGU    86   
 J.Burkett     RLO  16.2   B.Bonds*      LBA 1.516   S.Musial      OCG    84   
 W.Stargell    CDE  15.3   W.Stargell    CDE 1.460   E.Delahanty   FBL    82   
 B.Bonds*      LBA  15.1   J.Burkett     RLO 1.431   J.Burkett     RLO    79   
 J.Dimaggio    WAS  13.6   T.Williams    TBE 1.400   J.Gibson      CDE    74   
 E.Delahanty   FBL  12.9   J.Dimaggio    WAS 1.364   L.Gehrig      SRD    73   
 T.Williams    TBE  12.6   J.Gibson      CDE 1.343   B.Bonds*      LBA    72   
 M.Suttles     TGU  12.3   M.Suttles     TGU 1.319   N.Lajoie      SRD    71   
 J.Gibson      CDE  12.3   K.Griffey Jr  LAH 1.250   R.Hornsby     LAH    69   
 N.Lajoie      SRD  11.7   E.Delahanty   FBL 1.224   K.Griffey Jr  LAH    68   
 K.Griffey Jr  LAH  11.3   L.Gehrig      SRD 1.214   H.Wagner      FBL    68   
 L.Gehrig      SRD  11.1   M.Mantle      RLO 1.206   A.Simmons     LBA    67   


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