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The only thing I see with Gaviglio is it seems he is a 5-inning pitcher. Now you can say that about 75% of the guys in baseball now, but getting Felix back is going to help once he gets his feet under him, because you HAVE to have at least ONE guy that can go 7 innings start after start. Otherwise your pen will be meat come August, no matter how many guys you shuffle up from the minors.

In an unrelated stat, I was watching the Red Sox-Astros game, and there were a TON of guys trying to beat the shift on pitches up mostly, unless they were on the inner half. Even ones over the plate, many of them gave what you would call a defensive swing. One guy, Mitch Moreland, actually beat the shift with what looked like a Rod Carew swing, I LOVED it!....however, ZERO mention from the ESPN team on him doing it.

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In his last eight starts, Gallardo is 2-4, with a 7.84 ERA in 41.1 IP.

He has managed to reach/surpass six innings in three of those starts, with a high of seven IP vs. Minnesota (he surrendered six hits and five runs, all earned, in that game).

On the point of hitting against the shift, I have seen guys like Ben Gamel use the whole field successfully.  Mitch Haniger and Jean Segura have also been good at doing that.  Some of the other guys, like Danny Valencia and even Mike Zunino, have had moments where they have managed to fight the natural tendencies to pull everything.

A couple of Zunino's homers have come a bit to the right of dead center, on pitches located away.

Robby Cano is good at it, and Nelson Cruz also goes the opposite way on occasion.

The broadcasting team of Dave Sims and Mike Blowers have been good at pointing it out.

I wish the TV set-up for each at-bat would include a POV angle from behind home plate, to show how the defense is aligned, with a follow-up to show how they might move around during the course of the at-bat.

They generally waste enough time on stuff like close-ups of the batter getting set in the box (I know...the graphics people want to be able to show the hitter's pertinent stats).



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In his last eight starts, Gallardo is 2-4, with a 7.84 ERA in 41.1 IP.

He has managed to reach/surpass six innings in three of those starts, with a high of seven IP vs. Minnesota (he surrendered six hits and five runs, all earned, in that game).

On the point of hitting against the shift, I have seen guys like Ben Gamel use the whole field successfully.  Mitch Haniger and Jean Segura have also been good at doing that.  Some of the other guys, like Danny Valencia and even Mike Zunino, have had moments where they have managed to fight the natural tendencies to pull everything.

A couple of Zunino's homers have come a bit to the right of dead center, on pitches located away.

Robby Cano is good at it, and Nelson Cruz also goes the opposite way on occasion.

The broadcasting team of Dave Sims and Mike Blowers have been good at pointing it out.

I wish the TV set-up for each at-bat would include a POV angle from behind home plate, to show how the defense is aligned, with a follow-up to show how they might move around during the course of the at-bat.

They generally waste enough time on stuff like close-ups of the batter getting set in the box (I know...the graphics people want to be able to show the hitter's pertinent stats).


 Not Gallardo..........Sam Gaviglio...........do you need new glasses?....lolol



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nacster wrote:
seajaw wrote:

In his last eight starts, Gallardo is 2-4, with a 7.84 ERA in 41.1 IP.

He has managed to reach/surpass six innings in three of those starts, with a high of seven IP vs. Minnesota (he surrendered six hits and five runs, all earned, in that game).

On the point of hitting against the shift, I have seen guys like Ben Gamel use the whole field successfully.  Mitch Haniger and Jean Segura have also been good at doing that.  Some of the other guys, like Danny Valencia and even Mike Zunino, have had moments where they have managed to fight the natural tendencies to pull everything.

A couple of Zunino's homers have come a bit to the right of dead center, on pitches located away.

Robby Cano is good at it, and Nelson Cruz also goes the opposite way on occasion.

The broadcasting team of Dave Sims and Mike Blowers have been good at pointing it out.

I wish the TV set-up for each at-bat would include a POV angle from behind home plate, to show how the defense is aligned, with a follow-up to show how they might move around during the course of the at-bat.

They generally waste enough time on stuff like close-ups of the batter getting set in the box (I know...the graphics people want to be able to show the hitter's pertinent stats).


 Not Gallardo..........Sam Gaviglio...........do you need new glasses?....lolol


??? 

It is Gallardo who has been that bad.

If I get your point, though, it is that they need someone capable of getting them into the seventh.  Gallardo has done that.

But they also need someone who consistently puts the team in a position to win...and that's Gaviglio.



-- Edited by seajaw on Monday 19th of June 2017 02:50:05 PM

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lol you are missing my point....my comment about Gaviglio was not about his performances, but the fact he seems to be just a 5-inning guy. Wasn't at all critiquing his outings good or bad. GALLARDO however looks like toast......doesn't help the team if he pitches 7 innings and gets rocked every time out lol.



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Some tasty tidbits...

In his last 20 games, Ben Gamel is slashing .436/.471/.538/1.010.

In his last 13 games (12 starts), Mike Zunino is slashing .391/.440/.825/1.2666, with six homers and 21 RBI. Since his recall, he's batting .325, with a 1.031 OPS.

In 15 games this month, Jarrod Dyson is slashing .333/.360/.542/.902. I wonder if he heard footsteps (as in the possibility of a Gamel/Heredia/Haniger outfield)...

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lol you are missing my point....my comment about Gaviglio was not about his performances, but the fact he seems to be just a 5-inning guy. Wasn't at all critiquing his outings good or bad. GALLARDO however looks like toast......doesn't help the team if he pitches 7 innings and gets rocked every time out lol.



-- Edited by nacster on Monday 19th of June 2017 02:56:31 PM


I think I get your point.  But Gaviglio has simply been much better at turning the game ball over to Scott Servais, with the game in much better shape.

At this point, I'll take that.  Gaviglio has been a life-saver.  He give the M's a chance to gear up offensively, without the stress of having to come from behind.

And winning after five is certainly better than losing after six or seven. wink

I understand that the gist of what you were pointing out is that five seems to be Gaviglio's limit.  I get that.  Hopefully, the return of Felix and Kuma will help make that point a little more irrelevant, as they should be able to give the pen more rest.

I like Felix/Paxton/Kuma/Miranda/Gaviglio as the starting five for now.  Bergman deserves props, as well.  And all six rate well ahead of Gallardo.  The only reason for keeping Gallardo around would be the contract.

Will Jerry DiPoto be willing to eat the money, to make the club better?



-- Edited by seajaw on Monday 19th of June 2017 03:12:10 PM

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Agree with the fact I'd rather have 5 good innings then 7 crummy ones. They really need some starters to go deeper once in awhile though, it's not like they have a nails type of pen like for example the Royals had.

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Agree with the fact I'd rather have 5 good innings then 7 crummy ones. They really need some starters to go deeper once in awhile though, it's not like they have a nails type of pen like for example the Royals had.


With the additional innings up front, that should go as long ways toward smoothing things out on the backside.

A lot of the M's bullpen woes have come from shifting responsibilities and increased demand.  They have a core group of five -- Tony Zych, James Pazos (suffers recently from being overworked), Nick Vincent, Mark Rzepczynski (just one bad outing souring his record) and Edwin Diaz -- who can generally be depended on.

Dan Altavilla still needs to get himself straightened out.  If you release Gallardo, and slide Bergman into a long slot, that helps immensely.

With a base of Felix, Paxton, and Miranda taking games into the seventh, and Kuma (hopefully...) and Gaviglio at least getting past the fifth in decent shape, that should be a big help.

With Jean Segura's anticipated return this weekend/early next week, the offense should be primed to really take off.

But, hey, I'm an optimist at heart.

After all of the injuries Seattle has suffered through so far, I have to be. wink



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What is Gallardo's contract?

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What is Gallardo's contract?


$13M, with a team option for next year.

There is a $2M buyout.

We got Gallardo in a trade with Baltimore, for Seth Smith.



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"This is real. This is happening." That was what Mariners' announcer Aaron Goldsmith said Monday night, after Mike Zunino hit the second of his two two-run homers, a shot over the center field wall.

Earlier, Zunino had hit a laser shot over the visitors' bullpen and onto the concourse on a 3-2 slider at the bottom of the strike zone.

Sam Gavilio went five, surrendering two runs. The Mariners tied the game in the bottom of the inning, on a two-run blast by Guillermo Heredia, who was giving Mitch Haniger a day off.

Zunino gave Seattle a 4-2 lead in the sixth, then added some breathing room with his second shot, in the eighth. Both came with Jarrod Dyson on base. Dyson had three hits.

Zunino has worked so hard to get things straightened out. He has taken and tried so much advice from so many different people the last 3-4 years. Finally, Scott Brosius helped him figure it out when he was down at Tacoma last year. And Brosius is the assistant hitting coach, working alongside Edgar, making sure Zunino stays focused on his set of "rules.".

After the first homer, Zunino was chattering non-stop in the dugout. You could see the enthusiasm. You can't help but be happy for Zunino.

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seajaw wrote:
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What is Gallardo's contract?


$13M, with a team option for next year.

There is a $2M buyout.

We got Gallardo in a trade with Baltimore, for Seth Smith.


 I remember when he came up for Milwaukee. I thought he was going to be a great pitcher, but just never really put it all together. He's got great stuff, good mechanics, decent control, etc.



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Tall Tactician wrote:
seajaw wrote:
nacster wrote:

What is Gallardo's contract?


$13M, with a team option for next year.

There is a $2M buyout.

We got Gallardo in a trade with Baltimore, for Seth Smith.


 I remember when he came up for Milwaukee. I thought he was going to be a great pitcher, but just never really put it all together. He's got great stuff, good mechanics, decent control, etc.


He's been a victim of the one bad inning syndrome this season.  In an otherwise good or decent performance, he'll let one inning get away from him.

He could have a one-hitter going through four innings, then give up four runs in the fifth. 



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The Mariners have got another run going.

They won their third straight Tuesday night, beating the Tigers, 5-4, in 10 innings.  Nelson Cruz led off the 10th with a walk.  Tyler Smith pinch ran, and was able to take second on a wild pitch.

Even with a left-on-left matchup, I thought they might have Justin Wilson go ahead and walk Kyle Seager (the count was 3-1), to set up the double play possibility for Danny Valencia.

Instead, Wilson tried to go for the out.  But Seager lined the next pitch into right field for a game-winning walkoff single.

The Mariners led, 4-2, but reliever Dan Altavilla gave up two in the eighth.

Taylor Motter and Ben Gamel homered for the M's.  Gamel also had a double and single, his sixth-straight multi-hit game.

Steve Cishek pitched the 10th and got the win.



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