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Date: February 8th
Roster transactions on as-played season replays
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Hi all,

 

New to this forum, and recently returned to the SOM computer game after 25+ years.  I’ve started an as-played replay of the 1971 AL season and ran into an issue, hoping someone has a workaround. 

 

My idea was to manage one team at a time through its entire schedule, using Schedule Batch Change to manually play that team’s games and hold all other games not involving them.  Once that team’s schedule was completed, pick another team and use schedule batch change to repeat the process for that team, and so on until all games on the league schedule had been played.

 

Worked great for the first team (Orioles exactly matched their actual 101-57 record in my replay of their schedule, though with only one 20 game winner rather than 4).  The issue came about when I picked the Twins as my second team and went back to the April schedule to begin manually replaying their games that I'd previously held with batch schedule change.  The first as-scheduled Twins game (4/6/71) gave me the following error message:

 

MLA 4/ 6 MH177B MAJOR PROBLEM: Player is in lineup but not on team

 

Upon investigation (looking at box score on Baseball Reference), I found that the Twins opponent the Brewers had Mike Hegan (a multi-team player in '71) in the second spot of their lineup that day, but he was not on the Brewers SOM roster anymore.  Their roster instead seemed to include only those players who ended the season with them.

 

In other words, seems that once you work your way through the league's schedule dates once, even if only with one team’s games, SOM processes all player transactions as they occurred and you can’t go back to play held games from earlier dates on the schedule and get the as-played rosters set to what they were on that date (?).

 

I don’t want to restore the league and lose the games I already replayed.  Anyone know a way to get the rosters reset to a previous date without restoring and losing games already played?  Sorry for length of this post, and thanks in advance for any ideas.confuse



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Umpire

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Welcome to SOMers

Using "as played" requires the use use of "automatic lineups" and "automatic transactions" being checked. When you start an as played season with those settings you will see the rosters get shuffled prior to the start of the first game with the statement "Please wait while opening day rosters are being assembled...". If you do not have those settings checked the as played replay really won't work.

Let us know what setting you had checked when you started you replay. I just started a 1971 AL replay using the settings and didn't have any issues through day 2. Hegan is on the Brewers to start the season.

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I also want to emphasize that I have made every conceivable mistake with C&D and computer in the past. I have learned through shared experience as as well as trial and error. So please continue to ask questions. You will not be ridiculed on this site.



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Thanks Nitrous,

I do have Automatic Lineups and Automatic Transactions checked, and did when I started the replay.

What I think must be happening is that once you move past a date on the schedule, leaving some team's games on hold, the roster transactions for that date are processed - for all teams.  Then, when you go back to previous dates to play games you'd previously held, the rosters don't revert back to that date.

Kind of a bummer, because I liked the idea of being manager for one team at a time against the computer manager through that team's entire season, using the as-played lineups and transactions (as I did with the Orioles), and then picking another team and playing their remaining games (ie I was going to play the Twins remaining 150 games - they'd already played 12 against the Orioles), and so on until the season replay was complete.

Maybe I'll start the replay over again and sequentially play all games on a given date before moving to the next day's schedule (ie not putting any games on hold).  I'm sure that will solve the roster transactions problem.  Just not how I preferred doing the replay!angered.gif  Oh well...

 



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Nitrous Oxide wrote:

I also want to emphasize that I have made every conceivable mistake with C&D and computer in the past. I have learned through shared experience as as well as trial and error. So please continue to ask questions. You will not be ridiculed on this site.


 Nitrous,

I'll take you up on that and ask a really dumb question.  When I select "File/Play Scheduled..." , a dialog box comes up with that day's games, and buttons for "Play All", "Play To Day" and "Play Day".  I haven't been able to figure out yet what the difference is between these.  So I always just hold the games I don't want to play yet, select Play Day and then play the game I set to Manual.

You'd think there'd be instructions somewhere explaining the difference between these three options , but if so I can't find it!  Thanks again.



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Play All is for autoplaying the entire season. Play to Day means you pick a date and the game will autoplay to that date. Play Day is to play the day's schedule. I don't think the first two work if you have any of the games set to manual. Nice idea for playing out the season one team at a time. Too bad it doesn't work. That is actually the way I played my very first season replay, but that was C+D so I could do that. Now I play mostly the computer version.

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Federico wrote:

I do have Automatic Lineups and Automatic Transactions checked, and did when I started the replay.

What I think must be happening is that once you move past a date on the schedule, leaving some team's games on hold, the roster transactions for that date are processed - for all teams.  Then, when you go back to previous dates to play games you'd previously held, the rosters don't revert back to that date.


 Yes you do have to complete all the games for a given day before moving on or "as played" won't work.



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Federico wrote:
Nitrous Oxide wrote:

I also want to emphasize that I have made every conceivable mistake with C&D and computer in the past. I have learned through shared experience as as well as trial and error. So please continue to ask questions. You will not be ridiculed on this site.


 Nitrous,

I'll take you up on that and ask a really dumb question.


 The only dumb question is the one not asked. Depending on the version of Strat you have and your computer OS you may not have access to the Strat help file. I currently don't, but that will be fixed when I get the 2017 version of the game.

Veteran gamer Terry B answered this one. The forum community is always a great resource.



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Thanks guys, appreciate the feedback. Nitrous, that's correct, when I select the help menu in SOM 2016, it just returns a Microsoft error page in my browser.

Luckily I know my way around SOM a little bit from my very distant experience with the board game and with an early pre-Windows version of the computer game I had back when I was a young guy. Yes, I am old enough to remember personal computing without Windows...

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Nitrous Oxide wrote:
Federico wrote:

I do have Automatic Lineups and Automatic Transactions checked, and did when I started the replay.

What I think must be happening is that once you move past a date on the schedule, leaving some team's games on hold, the roster transactions for that date are processed - for all teams.  Then, when you go back to previous dates to play games you'd previously held, the rosters don't revert back to that date.


 Yes you do have to complete all the games for a given day before moving on or "as played" won't work.


My guess is that you have determined the issue -- that Strat never anticipated someone playing the game that way or could not configure it to perform the way you would have liked it to. You should send the question to Stratomatic's customer service. Whether they could change it in future versions -- who knows? But if they are not thinking about it, it will not get addressed. I am guessing some of the complications could be player usage, pitchers tiredness, etc. may prevent them from having it play they way you would like it to, but worth inquiring about.

Oh, and I agree with N/O, in that I would love to see you post the results of your project here. I would definitely follow along.

 



-- Edited by Tall Tactician on Saturday 11th of February 2017 01:26:03 PM

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Thanks for your thoughts, T.T.  I've sent an email to SOM tech support today describing this issue; I'll post again to let you all know how they respond. 

I've thought about resuming my replay with the remaining teams by leaving multi-team players on the team they ended their season with, and trying to manually manage the rosters as close to reality otherwise, such as promoting/demoting "minor leaguers" on dates I estimate based on looking at sources like Baseball Reference and looking at box scores to approximate the starting lineups (though I'd have to plug another player in for multi-team guys who aren't on the roster anymore, such as Hegan in my example above).  But then the results would be pretty bastardized, not really as-played at all, and anyway who has the time for all that work!

Appreciate the feedback guys - excellent forum here. 



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Got a quick response from SOM tech support, thought I'd post it here to close the loop on this topic.  As we suspected, the game is not configured to allow an as-played replay with auto transactions in the way I was trying to do it:

You cannot play in this fashion and use auto transactions and automatic lineups. As you advanced the schedule on your first pass you made the moves for all of the teams in the league so when you go back to the beginning of the schedule the lineups will be messed up because players may have already changed rosters

SOM



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Federico wrote:

Got a quick response from SOM tech support, thought I'd post it here to close the loop on this topic.  As we suspected, the game is not configured to allow an as-played replay with auto transactions in the way I was trying to do it:

You cannot play in this fashion and use auto transactions and automatic lineups. As you advanced the schedule on your first pass you made the moves for all of the teams in the league so when you go back to the beginning of the schedule the lineups will be messed up because players may have already changed rosters

SOM


 This makes sense. Glad you got the definitive answer for all of us.



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I have another question - When you use Auto Lineups and Auto Transactions -  the roster limits exceed 25 man rosters - will the as played season still work if you select Auto  Line-ups and  25 / 40 man box ?



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Eaglesfly wrote:

I have another question - When you use Auto Lineups and Auto Transactions -  the roster limits exceed 25 man rosters - will the as played season still work if you select Auto  Line-ups and  25 / 40 man box ?


 Auto linueps and Auto transactions have to be used together. If you don't use auto transactions you will not get the correct daily rosters required to do auto lineups.



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